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Cause of death

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The cause of death in the sidebar appears to be a joke: "Stake to the heart"

Birthday of a Vampire(actor)

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Regarding to several websources, his birthday was not June 11th but September 6th. I found the June birthday only on IMDB and Wiki related sources. Also the day he died seem to be not accurate, as the February 19th can be found in the web. --Doclecter 09:32, 19 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Three years later.
Yes, German sources have (1879-09-06 – 1936-02-19), that's 1879 September 6th to 1936 February 19th.
I have just removed the unsourced dates. IMDB is not considered reliable, indeed it even contradicts itself: here is what is has on its own biography page:
Date of Death ... 26 November 1936, Munich, Bavaria, Germany (heart attack)
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"Max Schreck was born on June 11, 1879 in Berlin."
... "before his death from a heart attack on February 19, 1936."
bold emphasis is mine.
Instead of IMDB I used Olaf Brill's web site (there are other German sources that confirm the dates), and he cites his sources:
Münchner Neueste Nachrichten vol. 89, no. 52, 21 Feb 1936, p. 5. "am 6. September 1879 in Berlin geboren", "Donnerstag früh um einhalb neun Uhr im Schwabinger Krankenhaus gestorben"
I did note that the obituary states he died early Thursday, which was the 20th, and that he was brought to the hospital Wednesday evening (the 19th).
I also removed all the other IMDB "cites". -84user (talk) 18:26, 6 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Fair use rationale for Image:MaxSchreck02.jpg

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Are you that much of a moron? That the movies he was filmed in have now become PUBLIC DOMAIN, it is more than safe to say that pictures of him and pictures related to things he was in are also public domain. Fair Use. 60.230.201.56 (talk) 05:17, 9 March 2009 (UTC) Harlequin[reply]

BetacommandBot is just a robot that adds warnings whenever an image might be about to be deleted, for whatever reason. That was nearly 2 years ago. 84user (talk) 13:23, 9 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Trivia

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That last entry, about the both of the actors dying like a dozen years afterwars is not a cultural reference, its trivia, and its stupid trivia, its gone. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.137.207.191 (talk) 17:27, 15 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

"Schreck" is German for a state of shock, trepidation or scare, or a bogey. The perfect name for a horror movie actor - which made Max Schreck more famous and maybe led to the rumors that he'd be an actual vampire. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.210.145.108 (talk) 01:26, 24 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Recent Biography

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"Book lifts lid on star of eerie first Dracula film"

By Dave Graham Fri May 9, 1:26 PM ET

"Max Schreck - Gespenstertheater" (Ghost theatre) By German author Stefan Eickhoff


http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080509/od_nm/dracula_dc&printer=1;_ylt=AgCt2Z1goCVPfQCTQDVExh4Z.3QA

I wanted to enter the actual article, but felt that I would be warned about fair use and that it would be deleted. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Vampromero (talk • contribs) 15:10, 10 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The yahoo cite is dead. I replaced it with a reuters cite. -84user (talk) 18:26, 6 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Die Strasse

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I can't seem to find any verification that no copies of Schreck's film, Die Strasse, are extant. The IMDB page has a review of the film which seems to suggest that the author has actually seen it. In addition, there are some pages on the internet that specifically mention that Die Strasse is one of the few Schreck films still in existence. Which is it? Can anyone shed some light on this? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.106.71.193 (talk • contribs) 15:41, August 18, 2004 (UTC) 84user (talk) 13:23, 9 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

One more thing, the 2000 movie Shadow of the Vampire is austensibly about the production of the 1922 movie Nosferatu. In Shadow Wilem Dafoe plays the character that appears as the lead role of the Vampire. Dafoe's performance is brilliant, however he actually portrays his character as a real vampire that is also playing the role of a vampire in the 1922 production. What results is a very interesting movie, but at the cost of portraying the actor that immortalized vampires in Nosferatu as a fiend, instead of the well respected and accomplished actor that Max Schreck was. Something might be said about that. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.79.0.243 (talk • contribs) 03:58, October 29, 2004 (UTC) 84user (talk) 13:23, 9 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

- I have a copy of Die Strasse. Look around the internet and you'll find it. The blind man which is assumed to be Max Schreck is in. No Max Schreck in the credits, though it only mention the two main actors. It's worth a look I say. (76.69.176.186 (talk) 01:14, 14 January 2009 (UTC))[reply]

in-joke source needed

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Also, as an in-joke, director Tim Burton misspelt his name for the character Max Shreck (spelled with only one 'c') in the 1992 film Batman Returns.

I attached a Fact tag to the in-joke claim above in Max Schreck#cultural references because I could not find a source that explicitly claims Burton chose that name as a joke. If anyone finds it please add it, otherwise it will need rewording. Googling "tim burton shreck joke -shrek -wikipedia -blogspot -buy.com" turned up only these two (after pruning wikipedia clones, myspace, blogs and the usual junk). Variety does not say who named the character, and Nugent only claims "it" (Schreck being a real vampire I guess) was a decades-old in-joke.

84user (talk) 02:09, 22 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Fansite Batman: YTB page has:
"The script gave the writer (Daniel Waters) license to create his own villain in the form of Christopher Walken's nefarious Max Shreck, named after Max Schreck, the star of F.W. Murnau's NOSFERATU (1922). ''Max Schreck played a character who sucked blood from the population,'' says Waters, ''and Max Shreck is also something of a vampire, sucking up energy, power, and money from Gotham City. ..."
I've reworded using YTB and other cites in lieu of anything better. 84user (talk) 02:52, 22 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Notes

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  1. ^ MCCARTHY, TODD (1992-05-15). "Batman Returns Review". Variety. Retrieved 2009-05-21. Max Shreck, a character named, as an in-joke, after the German actor who starred as the screen's first Dracula in F.W. Murnau's 1922 "Nosferatu."
  2. ^ Nugent, Phil (2008-05-13). "Digging Up Max Shreck, the Screen's Original Dracula". Retrieved 2009-05-21. The 2000 film Shadow of the Vampire, starring John Malkovich as Murnau, was a darkly comic fantasy in which it was revealed that "Shreck" was an actual vampire (played by Willem Dafoe) that the director had brought in to lend his authenticity to the role. It was rooted in a film-scholar in-joke that went back decades.

This section makes inline references visible; please leave it at the Talk page end. 84user (talk) 02:09, 22 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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Exciting rumors

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There were rumours at the time of Nosferatu and for many years afterwards that Schreck did not actually exist and was a pseudonym for the well-known actor Alfred Abel.

Yet Max Schreck, if this Wikipedia article may be believed, was an actor at the Münchener Kammerspiele, one of the top theatres of the era. So presumably all you needed to do was look at a few Munich newspapers, or stop by the theatre, and you'd find out whether Schreck was real or imaginary. 2001:1BA8:143A:E300:1927:A086:836C:5D57 (talk) 16:32, 28 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Nazi Germany

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To prevent edit-warring taking the discussion here. I see no reason not to link to the historical political entity that Schreck passed away during. This is the standard for most people. @P Aculeius claims that "German Reich" is just as wrong as "Nazi Germany". Neither was the common name of the country in English at any period of time". I disagree the German Reich was the official name that was used in diplomatic communications and during the time of its existence Americans and British commentators repeatedly used the term "Nazi Germany". Since the end of the war Nazi Germany is the common name in English for well "Nazi Germany". 3Kingdoms (talk) 17:14, 28 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Your main goal, as with most of the other editors who've made the same edit over the last several years, is to put "Nazi Germany" here in place of "Germany", and your comment above demonstrates the same. But nobody who lived there would have said they were from "Nazi Germany", and the use of that phrase elsewhere is intentionally pejorative—it means "Germany under the Nazi regime". Which is completely irrelevant to a biographical article of someone who is not supposed to have had any connection to the Nazis, and who died even before that phrase had become common in the English-speaking world. It serves no purpose here other than to tie someone who had no connection to the Nazis to Nazi politics, which is inherently misleading.
As for "German Reich", again that was never the common name of the country, and would be no more appropriate than to say that somebody who died in the Soviet Union in 1956 died in "Soviet Russia", or someone who was born in South Africa in 1979 was born in "Apartheid South Africa", absent any connection to the Soviet political system or racial segregation. Nor is it relevant what the "official" name of a country used in diplomatic communications is: we say "North Korea", "East Germany", "France", not "Democratic People's Republic of Korea", "German Democratic Republic", or "Fifth French Republic". Those formal titles are used in articles about the countries and their governments, not people who incidentally happened to live there.
The body of an article would be the place to note what kind of state a person lived or died in—if that had any particular relevance to the subject—but in an infobox substituting descriptions like these is distracting, misleading, and comes squarely under the heading of commentary. And infoboxes are not the place for any kind of commentary! P Aculeius (talk) 19:28, 28 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
First you said Nazi Germany was not the common name in English speaking world so we should not use it (an incorrect claim). Now you're saying most Germans there would not say they were from Nazi Germany so we should not use it. There is no rule for that and what exactly is the point if were suppossed for be focused on the English speaking world here?
Second the German Reich issue is false. German Reich was the official name for Nazi Germany while it existed. You said, "would be no more appropriate than to say that somebody who died in the Soviet Union in 1956 died in "Soviet Russia"" except that would be a contradiction of your point because the USSR was the official name for the Soviet Union just like "German Reich". No one is making a connection or commentary about Scherck. It is a simple statement of fact that he died in Nazi Germany just as he was born in Imperial Germany.
Finally going over the history of the page shows multiple editors inserting Nazi Germany with you being the only one to object.3Kingdoms (talk) 20:25, 28 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Incorrect again: other editors have reverted this; but it's on my watchlist, and with a long history of people making an unjustified edit—mostly IP editors—that's the main thing people do besides quibbling over whether "Spongebob" should be mentioned—I check it as soon as I see an edit to find out whether it's the same old thing. The edit you're trying to make is simply wrong; it should not have been made, and should not be made again. Instead of trotting out the old "you're the only one who objects" trope, why don't you request a third-party opinion from WikiProject Biography? P Aculeius (talk) 23:17, 28 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
If I was mistaken my apologies. However, I saw other reverts that were done by named users. Since I do not think one of us will be persuaded, I will request a third-party opinion. Let's see what others think. 3Kingdoms (talk) 01:52, 3 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Fwiw, I commented at Wikipedia:Teahouse#Use_of_"Nazi_Germany"_instead_of_"Germany"_from_1933_to_1945. IMO, the [1] version is reasonable, it's part of history, and does not to me say "Schreck was a Nazi."
Template:Infobox_person states in part
  • Well-known countries should generally not be linked, but historical and less-well-known countries can be.
  • For historical subjects, use the place name most appropriate for the context and our readership. What the place may correspond to on a modern map is a matter for an article's main text.
Make of that what you will. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 07:42, 7 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for the response. I understand one not wanting a false connection between Schreck and the Nazis, so I think using the official name (German Reich) is a fair compromise. Personally, I am going to take this as the third-party opinion and end it here. Thank you again. 3Kingdoms (talk) 15:19, 10 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Undone. Sorry, that edit is a no-go due to the misleading piped link. See WP:POLA. Mathglot (talk) 00:57, 11 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
If he's contending that "German Reich" is just the official name for "Nazi Germany", then it shouldn't make any difference. But I don't think the conversation at the Teahouse lent any support for using "Nazi Germany" instead of "Germany". Would we put "Weimar Republic" from 1919 to 1933? No, we'd put "Germany". Because this article has nothing to do with the Nazis, any more than it had to do with the government that preceded the elections of 1933.
I will stipulate that it might be different for the German Empire from 1871 to 1918, because not only was the "official name" of the country different, but so was its geographical scope; it was effectively a different state, as were East and West Germany from 1945 to 1990. The Weimar Republic and the Nazi government that succeeded it were just two successive regimes in the same country, neither of which is relevant to Max Schreck's death. The infobox for this article should point to "Germany", which covers the whole history of the country, instead of focusing on a narrow time period, or suggesting any connection with the Nazis. P Aculeius (talk) 02:11, 11 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
From the point of view of Wikipedia guidelines, it doesn't matter what he is or is not contending, nor whether "German Reich" is, or is not the official name for "Nazi Germany". We have an article about the topic Nazi Germany, it is entitled, Nazi Germany. We have another article about the topic German Reich, it is entitled, German Reich. They are two articles, neither is a redirect, and in particular, they are not redirects of each other. One cannot purposely have one piped to the other, except perhaps in a discussion like this one, to point out that [[German Reich|Nazi Germany]] (or vice versa) is misleading and contrary to good practice. What good could possibly come of it? Some other solution needs to be found. Mathglot (talk) 05:16, 11 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
No good comes of having either "Nazi Germany" or "German Reich" here. It should say "Germany", which removes any spectre of Naziism or politics from a completely apolitical fact: what country Schreck died in. The "other solution" you're asking for is to restore the text that's been here for years, apart from brief interludes when this or that anonymous person decided that it needed to say "Nazi Germany", which was consistently reverted as soon as anyone noticed it had been changed. P Aculeius (talk) 05:27, 11 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
It links the reader to the WP-article about the state Schreck died in. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 05:51, 11 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Parallel discussion

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Noting the discussion about the same, or overlapping, topic at Wikipedia:Tea house#Use of "Nazi Germany" instead of "Germany" from 1933 to 1945. Mathglot (talk) 23:54, 10 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Potential expansion

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Summary style is all well and good, but this article could mention something about the success/enduring legacy of Nosferatu/Count Orlok outside the pop-cult section. Like a Swedish comedian once said, "Oh well, I never expected to be appreciated during my own life-time. But there will be different times!" Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 08:34, 7 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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