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Praising David Duke

Rothbard on Duke: “ It is fascinating that there was nothing in Duke's current program or campaign that could not also be embraced by paleoconservatives or paleo-libertarians; lower taxes, dismantling the bureaucracy, slashing the welfare system, attacking affirmative action and racial set-asides, calling for equal rights for all Americans, including whites: what's wrong with any of that? “ I think “praising David Duke” is a fair way to describe what Rothbard was doing in that article. Prezbo (talk) 01:06, 16 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Do third-party RS use the word "praising"? Llll5032 (talk) 05:53, 16 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Duke is best known for racist KKK. A common meaning of "Praising David Duke" without being more specific would indicate endorsement of that which would be very misleading. Rothbard was commenting on beliefs other than that.North8000 (talk) 15:17, 16 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

And a short vague statement that gives the impression that he generally praised Duke (while leaving out the all-important specifics) would need ultra strong sourcing in a biography. North8000 (talk) 18:00, 16 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Here is a book published by Routledge which says that he “embraced” Duke. Prezbo (talk) 00:49, 17 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

George Hawley's well reviewed 2017 book Right-Wing Critics of American Conservatism^[1] has a long summary of Rothbard and his views from pages 159-167 that includes, "While in the 1960s and 1970s Rothbard had praised black militants, in the 1990s Rothbard was defending David Duke and echoing much of his rhetoric." The book could be a good source for a number of sections in this article. Llll5032 (talk) 03:36, 17 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for finding. That wording is fine with me. Prezbo (talk) 09:15, 17 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I don’t think Rothbard would have had much problem with KKK era Duke either. But you can say that he praises David Duke “during his 1990s campaign for governor” if you want. I don’t see why it matters that this is a biography. It’s ok to describe dead people accurately.

This was discussed before. Whether or not Rothbard "praised" Duke in his article is a matter of opinion, not fact. The relevant article where Rothbard is said to have praised Duke is "Right-Wing Populism: A Strategy for the Paleo Movement" (The Rothbard-Rockwell Report January 1992, pp.5-13).

The article followed the 1991 Louisiana gubernatorial election, when Duke received just under 39% of the vote in the Nov. 16, 1991 run-off, getting 55% of the white vote. Basically Rothbard says what George Hawley does in Right-Wing Critics of American Conservatism, that by repackaging unpopular or esoteric views as populism, fringe politicians can become serious contenders. (pp. 53-56)[1]

Other than that, AFAIK Rothbard never mentioned Duke.

TFD (talk) 06:54, 24 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

You’re responding to an out of place reply, so I apologize for that. But 1) the current wording in the article is different anyway and 2) it’s well sourced.Prezbo (talk) 01:00, 25 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ Hawley, George (2016). Right-wing critics of American conservatism. Lawrence. ISBN 978-0-7006-2193-4. OCLC 925410917.{{cite book}}: CS1 maint: location missing publisher (link)

December 2023

I reverted a series of edits that had removed secondary reliable sources and had added some WP:OR and primary-sourced WP:LONGQUOTEs. The Neutral Point of View policy (specifically WP:BESTSOURCES) and the No Original Research policy (specifically WP:PSTS) say that the encyclopedia follows the emphasis of the best available independent secondary sources instead of Wikipedia editors choosing from primary sources or statements of the subjects themselves. Llll5032 (talk) 16:00, 18 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

issue in the opening

"Rothbard rejected mainstream economic methodologies and instead embraced the praxeology of Ludwig von Mises."

This implies that praxeology is an economic methodology. Actually, Mises conceived of praxeology as the science of human action, of which economics and history are both subsets. The sentence should read and instead "embraced the apriorism of Ludwig von Mises." Meistro1 (talk) 07:49, 4 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

or better even still

"Rothbard rejected mainstream economic methodologies, rooted in empiricism, and instead embraced the apriorism of Ludwig von Mises." Meistro1 (talk) 07:51, 4 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The article currently appears to lack citations to third-party reliable sources describing Rothbard's use of Mises' praxeology. If you have seen such sources, then citing them and summarizing their findings would improve the article. Llll5032 (talk) 20:16, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/journal-of-the-history-of-economic-thought/article/abs/methodology-of-austrian-economics-as-a-sophisticated-rather-than-naive-philosophy-of-economics/C69BA46C4367DD9E92EB6684CC5E1FD1 Meistro1 (talk) 02:58, 20 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I am on phone now but will attempt to do so later Meistro1 (talk) 02:59, 20 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

[1] Hawley, George (2016). Right-wing critics of American conservatism. Lawrence. ISBN 978-0-7006-2193-4. OCLC 925410917.{{cite book}}: CS1 maint: location missing publisher (link)

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